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Argghhh - SO MANY great wildcats, so little time! 

Its just easier to give in and get one of everything! ha

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This is the most fun part of a venture like this... 

All 10 barrels need to be exactly the same.
All 10 "takers" need to be accounted for and post confirmation of the agreed-upon barrel.
Payment will be required up front.  Rough estimate of $275 per barrel not including shipping, anything fancy, etc. (Small run).
I need a reamer and gauges.

From time of receipt of reamer/gauges to product ready to ship, say about 3-4 weeks.

I'm a little tired fellas...  I would "spearhead" this project and take in all the emails and questions and do a spreadsheet and all that like I've done before but I just don't have the time available for that anymore.  

If someone says to me - "Hey Mark, go check out post #95 in the thread, all 10 buyers have been listed as well as the agreed upon barrel profile and the guy with the reamer and gauges is ready to ship to you"... I can make it happen.

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is there any way for us to have an open block that we can all modify. so we could all post same space and just update: name , preferences,  like the survey form.  any experts out there to help?

name            first choice, second choice,   muzzle,   finish ,    profile 
Bajabusdoc               16                 18, threaded, stainless     any profile
abdcx                             18,         22,  target      ceracote  zombie green heavy
lmnox                              16               threaded    melonite         ranger profile


we would then bicker amongst our selves and agree then feed back to mark. also we could agree on a longer one and just recut crown or thread once we have our barrels A 18 inch target can be cut to 16 in threaded etc, but hard to make longer. the limited powder volume limits the improvement with longer barrel.. thanks all
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Baja, that's a good idea. If it's like a poll we can see what gets us closer to something we all want, thenslug it out together to get the final details.

Also, I'm going to contact Starline and see if the might offer a run of "5.56 Basic" brass, no neck down. Some companies offer this for some other cases. If they'd be willing to do that the making the 357AR MAX brass should be easy and should last a long time due to limited cold working. No it's not free like range brass is, but it should be better and easier. I'll keep you posted.
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is there any way for us to have an open block that we can all modify. so we could all post same space and just update: name , preferences,  like the survey form.  any experts out there to help?

name            first choice, second choice,   muzzle,   finish ,    profile 
Bajabusdoc               16                 18, threaded, stainless     any profile
abdcx                      18,         22,  target      ceracote  zombie green heavy
lmnox                      16               threaded    melonite         ranger profile

we would then bicker amongst our selves and agree then feed back to mark. also we could agree on a longer one and just recut crown or thread once we have our barrels A 18 inch target can be cut to 16 in threaded etc, but hard to make longer. the limited powder volume limits the improvement with longer barrel.. thanks all
I would suggest doing few poll to narrow down what most folks will disagree on.

The one most folks argue about, is barrel profile.  I think most here would say 16" and threaded so again I think the profile is what will be hardest to fine tune.  Perhaps the poll should be:

16" threaded 5/8-24 Carbine gas Ranger profile.
16" threaded 5/8-24 Carbine gas SPR profile.
16" threaded 5/8-24 Carbine gas lightweight profile.

I think that's the fastest way to get your answers.

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Multiple polls- majority wins for each poll then a list of agreed buyers. Sounds good to me! I'm easy, I will go with whatever you guys want.
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can some one post photos of the MDWS profiles side by side.

16 5/8th threaded can be cleaned up  by adding a thread protector and spinning on lath counter clockwise would tighten and heat at same time,  the gap would look like a fine line....

That would look nice, or....... put on one of those new MDWS .358 HMDs!

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Its just easier to give in and get one of everything! ha
I've pretty much already done that! Multiple Wolverines, X40s, Mongooses, SaberCats, VRap, ...  Hell - what's one more!?!

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Not sure how the poll works, so my input:
16" preferred, 18" ok
Threaded 5/8" preferred, other ok
Stainless preferred, melonite close second, other ok
Carbine gas preferred (as recommended by moleman), other ok
Profile: heavy preferred, but really don't care (just need minute of deer for 1-3 rounds)
Did I miss anything?
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I am a new subscriber but I have followed this thread and Molemam's development for several months. I am interested in a 357 AR barrel with the 1.605 chamber. My preferences are for an 18" barrel with a carbine length gas port.
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Mark correct me if wrong SPR no taper really 18 inch about 2.2 lbs Ranger taper from gass block to crown 3 oz lighter Light weight. 7 oz lighter The difference in weight can be made up with changes in furniture The heavier barrel slows and add stability to swing and follow through on moving targets, and decreases oscillation on a rest. But as weight is farther from the body more fatigiue holding off hand. Also swings slower when snap shooting. Most sportsmen over think this. Just go by what "feels" best
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I'll tell you guys, the Ranger profile is "the bomb"!  Lighter than SPR, heavier than lite-weight/pencil, minimum diameter changes (which reduces harmonics).  I'll likely be selling my SPR profile X40 and SaberCat pipes and stick with RPs from here out!
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Mark correct me if wrong SPR no taper really 18 inch about 2 lbs Ranger taper from gass block to crown 1 oz lighter Light weight. 4 oz lighter The difference in weight can be made up with changes in furniture The heavier barrel slows and add stability to swing and follow through on moving targets, and decreases oscillation on a rest. But as weight is farther from the body more fatigiue holding off hand. Also swings slower when snap shooting. Most sportsmen over think this. Just go by what "feels" best
18" SPR is a good bit heavier than 32-oz. 

In .30 SC, the 18" RP is 33-oz.  I can't find the weight on the 18" SPR, but I recall it to be 38~39-oz range.  The .357 barrel should be a tad lighter (bigger bore) with the same external profile.

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I like the idea of a carbine length gas port barrel at 18" with a target crown. Threads can always be added, as well as length removed, plus reduced machine time could result in cost savings right? As said before, easier to remove material, impossible to add material. Plenty of folks out there to do threading locally. Theading is not a deal breaker for me. If it is threaded, just point me in the direction of the shelf with the .38 cal. muzzle attachments/ thread protectors.

So where can we find this poll? I don't want to be left out!

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So let start

MM= easy to make cut deprime and dilate with old style 357 die with dilator, uses standard mags
357AR= More power, more neck splits (practice and annealing makes this minimal and brass is cheap) needs modified mag or ribless mag.

16 inch ranger profile
18 inch ranger profile

SS= stainless
M= Melonite
C= cerakote? would need to agree on color

5/8= threaded 5/8
TC= target crown 

gas port at recommendation of designer

have money ready to go so Mark not left hanging.....

so please one line response with a short comment example:

Bajabusdoc 357AR 16ssTC, second choice 357AR 16ss5/8


Current tally: 9-15-2017
KB31416                       357AR 16 ss 5/8,   second choice 357AR 16 ss TC
Wikster1983                  357ar 18" ss 5/8", second choice 357ar 16" ss 5/8"
Ol'BW                           357AR 18 M TC,     second choice 357AR any configuration
Battle Rattle                  357AR 16      5/8
Duck hunter 39480        357AR 18"   TC,    second choice 357AR 18"   5/8 

Bajabusdoc          MM or 357AR 16ssTC,      second choice 357ARor MM 16ss5/8

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357AR 16 ss 5/8, second choice 357AR 16 ss TC
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357ar 18" ss 5/8", second choice 357ar 16" ss 5/8"
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Moleman, Perhaps you stated this, and I missed it - if so sorry! What gas length and port size did you land on? ... Thanks, Steve

I'm in for a 357AR barrel if there's room, but i'd rather go with what works than re-invent the wheel
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357AR 18 M TC, second choice 357AR any configuration
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357 AR 18" ** TC, second choice 357AR 18" ** 5/8
** no preference on barrel material/finish
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Battle Rattle,
Not sure why you quoted my request for proper gas system configuration? Are you just agreeing let's do what the designer already worked out?
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Yes, just bumping your question up in case MM hasn't seen it

FWIW 16" is plenty for the cartridge and I'd prefer threads

IIRC this forum supports a proper poll?
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yes support a poll I just dont know how to do.

MoleMan prior post suggest carbine Gas with .90 or larger gas port, he also suggest perhaps  shorter between pistol and carbine would work,  I truly defer to  MoleMan  his design and experience 


on the Minimole .60 works in pistol same sharp peak in pressure but quicker drop off, this might work with 357AR but.......
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I am not sure what the dimensions of the reamer we are discussing using, (357AR ) but I believe Moleman has got the right info based on real experience. If we get this project to come together, I hope the reamer we use for the 357AR follows his recommendations to increase case life and reduce trimming.

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MoleMan ... suggest perhaps shorter between pistol and carbine would work

Caudle 5, or White Oak may make tubes to spec?

http://mdws.forumchitchat.com/post/alternate-gas-system-lengths-8922540?pid=1297929075n?
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