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battle rattle

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almost forgot i had an idea [idea]

what's the chance Starline might market 223 basic unprocessed brass?

no neck, no shoulder just a straightwall case unsized ... heck they'll be tooling up they could pull it right off the Wolverine run
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I think that has been covered in a previous post. . .
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Also, I'm going to contact Starline and see if the might offer a run of "5.56 Basic" brass, no neck down. Some companies offer this for some other cases. If they'd be willing to do that the making the 357AR MAX brass should be easy and should last a long time due to limited cold working. No it's not free like range brass is, but it should be better and easier. I'll keep you posted.
There is another option posted in this thread too...
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Al in MI sent me a link to buffalo arms   https://www.buffaloarms.com/223-cylindrical-1-76long-cases-223cyl   at $1.30 each they're pricy but would just need trimmed and reamed.
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I mentioned this earlier in the thread. I contacted them by email but got no response. I will try and give them call this week.
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i messaged Starline, it sure would make life easy!

beyond that would Wolverine brass will save a step or 2 ?
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I think it's too short, but I ashamedly don't have a Wolverine! I know 300BLK is for the 357AR.
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Here is how I expanded the necks for a similar 357cal cartridge I was working before seeing Moleman's awesome work with a 357cal cartridge for the AR.

My full length expander that I made seems to work nicely. Using an assortment of 223/5.56 brass, I just anneal, use the 277WLV (.277/6.8 dia) expander, then a 30cal expander, then my full length expander tapered .355", then run it thought my 357 sizer die, and trim to 1.605"
The 180gr bullets shown in the photo are seated to 2.265"


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Keith - is the expander in this photo factory, or custom made? I'm seriously considering throwing in for a .357AR barrel, but I have no machining resources to make custom expanders; nor do I want to ream/turn necks.  Thanks, RJ

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Ranger Joe. I use a 35 whelen decap expander lower in photo or a 357 mag upper in photo

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Keith - is the expander in this photo factory, or custom made? I'm seriously considering throwing in for a .357AR barrel, but I have no machining resources to make custom expanders; nor do I want to ream/turn necks.  Thanks, RJ

i just ran across these on accident

http://www.ch4d.com/products/dies/expanding/tmp

http://www.ch4d.com/products/dies/expanding/mplug
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Guys,
I have to tap ou this go around, I had some unplanned expenses come up.
Sorry,
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I just ran across these on accident...
THANKS!!

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Who has the latest on how many are "in" on this barrel buy? Are we making progress?
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RJ we need you! haha
and maybe 3 more fellas' as well.

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I may been what about bolts?
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Okay - what the heck!  16" .357AR Ranger Profile (don't care SS or CM) with 5/8" threads!

Wikster - you're going to be making me some brass!!


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I may been what about bolts?
Bolts are standard 5.56, just like WLV, x40, Mongoose, etc.

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I may been what about bolts?

.223 bolts

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Okay - what the heck!  16" .357AR Ranger Profile (don't care SS or CM) with 5/8" threads!

Wikster - you're going to be making me some brass!!
Deal brother! I just gotta figure out a process that works for me then ........ whatever, haha

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Silly question maybe, but can a .223/5.56 brass be loaded with a cream of wheat load- chambered, fired, then trim/ream/turned for loading? is it possible to do this instead of using full length expander/sizer?
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I've never used the COW method to fire form brass but lots of people do this. One of the requirements is to have the chamber you need the brass formed to for this to work. I fire form using cast bullets and medium burn rate powder. This may work for the 223 case, we will just have to try it. COW may foul the gas port on an AR.
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I've never used the COW method to fire form brass but lots of people do this. One of the requirements is to have the chamber you need the brass formed to for this to work. I fire form using cast bullets and medium burn rate powder. This may work for the 223 case, we will just have to try it. COW may foul the gas port on an AR.

I planned on putting on a gas block backwards to try this out, but yes need a barrel to make it happen. Just wondering if Moleman knows anyone who has tried it? Also wondering if a .223 brass will chamber in 357AR chamber?

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My guess is that the biggest problem with fire forming 223 is that the 223 shoulder starts at about 36.5 mm and the 357 AR is 40?mm long, and head spaces on the case rim (a guess). If this hypothesis is correct, what keeps the cartridge in place other than if one was able to get it into the bolt under the extractor?
If, however, the fire forming method works, this would save a lot of steps. What about skipping the cow loads and just fire 223 ammo? I have used this method to make 7 mm TCU shells.
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BTW, how is the poll going?
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I've tried fire forming 357AR cases for my first upper before drilling the gas port and didn't like it.  It was messy and wouldn't blow out the bottom of the case, so at best I ended up with a wasp waist case and a very dirty/messy gun.   After getting them formed well enough to function it was taking about a 357max type load to fully iron out the bottom 1/3rd of the case.  That's when I switched to the expander stems. 
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Kb have 7. People need 10
All look back about 16 post I responded to Ranger Joe. I use a 357 or 35 cal expander deprimer
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I've tried fire forming 357AR cases for my first upper before drilling the gas port and didn't like it.  It was messy and wouldn't blow out the bottom of the case, so at best I ended up with a wasp waist case and a very dirty/messy gun.   After getting them formed well enough to function it was taking about a 357max type load to fully iron out the bottom 1/3rd of the case.  That's when I switched to the expander stems. 

Ok, Thats the type of info I was looking for. Expander is the way to go then. thanks

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