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northern shooter

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When is the time to anneal?right away,after a couple of firings?
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Several of our favorite wildcats start life pretty hard on the brass.  We take a fired GI 5.56x45, that was likely shot from a SAW or M16/M4 with gross headspace and worn chamber, push back the shoulder and open the neck.  That work-hardens the brass from the start; then we fire-form to get the shoulder to fill out.  More work-hardening. 

Now that I've annealed my entire stock of brass in 7.62x40 (and soon 6mm Mongoose and .277 Wolverine), I plan to anneal them after 2~3 firings.  It does mean keeping the brass separate... and if that's too much of a hassle, I might just wind up annealing after each cycle.  It really is so easy now - and sort of mesmerizing to watch.

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About half of my brass is once fired that I converted myself, the other half is what I bought ready to load from Bruce.  A large chunk of the total has three loads on it plus the conversion, and none of it is showing any signs of hardening to the point where I'd want to start annealing.  I don't usually push my loads to the point of blown pockets or cracked necks, so I don't know how many loads I'll get before I have to anneal.

I used to do my '06 cases for the Garand after 5 cycles.  But, I had one batch that I just kept reloading that had over 15 cycles on them and were still useable when I sold the rifle.

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Thanks for the info.I'll be annealing soon.
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Anyone interested in having their brass cases annealed with an AMP Annealer?  I have one with a bunch of pilots.  Holler if you have an interest.  Thought I would start with this group and see how things go.  Just finished a batch of 6.5 Creedmoor after having a resistor replaced by AMP.  C photo.  Below are all the pilots I have at this time.  Not sure how some of the wildcats will work with existing pilots but could always work with AMP to find what works.

AMP1P02ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #02 300 BLACKOUT$19.991$19.99
AMP1P03ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #03 223 REMINGTON$19.991$19.99
AMP1P17ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #17 6/6.5 CREEDMOOR$19.991$19.99
AMP1P37ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #37 338 LAPUA MAG$19.991$19.99
AMP1P07ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #07 22-250 REMINGTON$19.991$19.99
AMP1P10ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #10 22/6MM/30 BR$19.991$19.99
AMP1P11ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #11 243/7-08/308$19.991$19.99
AMP1P14ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #14 25-06/270/30-06$19.991$19.99
AMP1P16ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #16 6.5 GRENDEL$19.991$19.99
AMP1P33ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #33 7.62x39$19.991$19.99
AMP1P45ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #45 45-70 GOVT$19.991$19.99
AMP1P50ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #50 6.5x47LAPUA/6XC$19.991$19.99
AMP1P51ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #51 270 WSM$19.991$19.99
AMP1P53ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #53 6.8 REMINGTON SPC$19.991$19.99
AMP1P59ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #59 7.62x54R$19.991$19.99
AMP1P62ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #62 30-30 WINCHESTER$19.991$19.99
AMP1P66ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #66 26/28/30 NOSLER$19.991$19.99
AMP1P85ANNEALING MADE PERFECT PILOT #85 224 VALKYRIE$19.991$19.99

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I use an AMP annealer, too.
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Anyone interested in having their brass cases annealed with an AMP Annealer?

i don't see 7x57 on the list?

i'm forming 7 Mauser to 224 Clark similar to Texas Trophy Hunter.

so far no issues with preliminary forming but annealing may extend the life of the cases, i haven't fire-formed any yet, no barrel yet (Bruce!)
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You are correct, that is one I don't have,,,,yet.  Just give me a week before you want to anneal the cases.  Will see if there are some other folks that need another pilot as well and make an order.  And interesting case, hadn't heard of it before.

Thanks!
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i'm wondering at what step would be best to anneal, before or after fire forming since there doesn't seem to be any issue with 1 pass size forming?

then i think i'd like to get more than the 1 box of brass i have and do them all at once.

and i'd like to have a barrel to set the false shoulder to, that's the real hold-up but yeah i'd be interested in running them through the magic heater

http://www.singleactions.com/224Clark.html

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Thanks for the link and history lesson.  What bullet and how fast do you think it will go?  Wildcats,,,very cool!  I don't know that it will really make a difference annealing before unless the cases have been fired multiple times.  If so, you may want to do it before fire-forming just so the cases are a little more malleable.  "The magic heater", I like it.  You have a minute or two, go over to their website and read up a little on benefits of their process.  Only draw back is if you have special cases, anything outside of commercial brass that has already been tested with specific parameters to the case.  If you change neck thickness, neck shape, shoulder shape, your going to loose a piece of brass as a calibration.  It turns really pretty orangish-red.  Smoked!  And I would also state to ensure all your brass is from the same lot.  Their database for cases can be/is specific to the lot of brass. 

I am pretty new to wildcats but have you thought about hydro-forming?  Not sure if/how relevant it is over fire-forming.  Might be a wash for the price of components.  Unless you really plan on going through a bunch of cases [smile]  https://www.whiddengunworks.com/hydraulic-form-die/
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Reply with quote  #36 
i just looked at the page, pilot #9 for 7x57, 257 Roberts and some oddblls

i'm looking at the Berger 77gr OTM or possibly a Hornady, i need to keep the OAL under 2.75"-2.80" to fit inside a 308 mag and the ogive outside the neck so actually a narrow selection of projectiles that will hold together at rpm. figuring 8-1 minimum

that's what i got to wondering what pilot for after they're fire formed? smoking 1 case isn't that big a deal, what was that Spock said?
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