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Hello All,

     This is Adam from central Iowa.  I came across the forum while looking for information on the 45 Vrap.  I have built a few ARs, mostly in 5.56, but have also built rifles in 300 Blkout, 7.62 x 39, and 458 SOCOM.  I am interested in the 45 Vrap for deer hunting in Iowa, the problem I have is after seeing some of the other wildcats being discussed here, I want to try them all.

     My daughter, who is 9, just took her first hog with the 300 Blkout we built, now she is interested in hunting deer.  Since she is comfortable with the AR platform, I figured a straight wall caliber like the 45 Vrap would be a good option.  I know the 450 bushmaster is another option, but not quite as much fun.

   I look forward to learning from this forum and building a few rifles based on the calibers here.

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Depending on size of deer and distances, I recommend starting with the Wolverine or Yeti.  (The Wolverine beats the Blackout hands down) Those are the two most popular with most parts available at the moment.
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Welcome WABBIT_HUNTER   If she's confident with a 223 ar15 then I'd go with something that has a similar recoil such as the 357Mine-Mole or the 357AR.  I'm partial to the 357AR and will let BAJABUSDOC give you the particulars on the 357MM.  My 14 year old son used his 357AR again this year for I think the 4th year it's been legal to hunt with straightwalled cartridges here in MI.  The recoil with heavy 180 and 200gr loads is similar to a 7.62x39.  So far all deer we've shot had the bullet pass through on broadside shots.  The furthest was 142yds by my son on an slightly angling away broadside shot that broke the opposite shoulder on the way out.  His deer this year was around 90 yards double lung and I've got the closest at around 60 yds. You can load them down for less recoil if that is a concern.  With our hunting load it's 1-1/8" high at 85yds, zero at 130yds which puts you an 1-1/8" low at 150yds.  We take a range finder out and take note of what 150yds is and know as long as the deer is within that just aim dead on and you'll hit within a thumb's width.    

The last couple years I've hunted with a 44 wildcat similar to the raptor in an ar10 and a 44 wildcat similar to a 445 Super Mag.  Thinking of a stuffing the 44 raptor like wildcat in an ar15 for this year. 
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Welcome from WI! I would do the vrap for yourself and grab the 357AR/ MM for your daughter. The vrap is a beast and I would hate to see her develope bad habits due to recoil. Both would be straight walled, therefore legal for you to use in Iowa. Good luck with your decision, but its easier to just turn wallet upside down and get them all, ha.
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I don't know that you are helping with my problem. [smile]  I really like the idea of the 358 Yeti, but since it is a bottle necked cartridge, we don't get to hunt deer with them in Iowa.  I like the 357AR/MM because of the ease of making brass from 5.56.  The mini-mole may have an edge if you don't need to modify standard mags to run it.  Like I said, too many choices.

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I don't know that you are helping with my problem. [smile]  I really like the idea of the 358 Yeti, but since it is a bottle necked cartridge, we don't get to hunt deer with them in Iowa.  I like the 357AR/MM because of the ease of making brass from 5.56.  The mini-mole may have an edge if you don't need to modify standard mags to run it.  Like I said, too many choices.

I was unaware you were unable to use bottle neck cartridges in Iowa.  I used to have an H&R single shot .357 Magnum I reamed out to use .357 Maximum (30-30 power).
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I was unaware you were unable to use bottle neck cartridges in Iowa.  I used to have an H&R single shot .357 Magnum I reamed out to use .357 Maximum (30-30 power).  

yes here in iowa we just got to start using straighwall rounds this year for deer other than that we can't use rifle for anything but predators like coyote and crows and such.

welcome adam nice to see a fellow iowan and if you want to try any of the calibers just give me a call and we can set up a range session i have most of them with the exception of the 357AR but i will probably have to build one of them too.

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I would like to sit down and take a look at several of the calibers and talk about the ins and outs of each.  My folks live in Evansdale, so I will definitely be up your way sometime in the near future.  I am also the one that recently inquired about the 45 Vrap barrel and bolt.
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For a younger shooter 125 gr xtp over 22gr lilgun gives at 100yds and has about same recoil as 556 expands well. 80 cal in wet sand. fits standard mags. Can use range pick up 556 cut. And perhaps ream (unreamed 2 moa) uses 357 mag bullets so expansion not an issue. Not yet in poductipn but let mark know interested mine uses 357 AR resmer set 0.200 shorter.

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I would like to sit down and take a look at several of the calibers and talk about the ins and outs of each.  My folks live in Evansdale, so I will definitely be up your way sometime in the near future.  I am also the one that recently inquired about the 45 Vrap barrel and bolt.


well Evansdale is only a hop skip away from Waverly. message me and i can get ya my number.

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Just because I like to brag, here are a couple of pictures of my daughter and her hog. She definitely made a good shot on him.

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Nice hog! Congrats to your daughter. Welcome to the forum!
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Yea, nice hog indeed.  Definately some fine shooting there, congrats to her for the shooting, and you for the raising.
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Not to start the "jaws" schtick but ...you're gonna need a bigger gun! For that one 👍
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Nice hog!  Smiles on kids faces are worth bragging about [thumb]
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I'm in the Marshalltown IA area , I have several mdws calibers including a 45Vrap and shoot every chance I can at the IKE range ,when its not so cold outside or not working . your welcome to try them (PM me) . And the 45VRAP is a excellent choice for Iowa white tail , I dropped one in her tracks this last season . 
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