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For AR15s.  Scroll up to posts 53-55 or so.  To do it "right", use GI 7.62 NATO brass, NO neck turning / reaming.  Simple, quick, .44 MWA (Maximum Whoop Ass)
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Or 2 inch 44-358 maximum for ar10..
With 550 cast swaged pill and can . could call it hammer of thor..44 HOT🔥 oh sorry been done; moleman, 44-3006, 44-308
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So I am new to reloading so if this is a horrible idea I apologize

I am an early adopter of the 6.5 Grendel and have a lot of components to load for it however I'm in over my head trying to form 7.62x39 into 6.5 Grendel so I don't haha
Anyhow my main attraction to 277wlv was the standard bolt. I've been reading 6.5 vs 6.8 articles and I've read with our current Gravity and Atmosphere 6.5 for what ever reason performs better than all others naturally. I know there probably not a major change from 277wlv but I certainly would be very appreciative if there was a 6.5 wlv option.

Eventually want 6.5 wlv? 277wlv and 7.62x40 due to all the components adding up on my bench
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The 6.5 Mongrel will be done someday and it is based on more of the Mongoose case than the WLV. It will be best suited for the 100 grain class of bullets, not the heavier like the 123SST.
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Thank you for the heads up, after reading this I was able to track down the original Mongrel building post. Im super stoked to hear the News, count me in for a setup Mark, Im good for at least one or two for sure

Thanks again for everyones hard work

Ill be ordering Hardware release day haha
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Just a heads up, here's where we are:

What we offer currently:

277 Wolverine
6mm Mongoose
7VAR
358 Yeti
7.62x40

Here's what we'll have shortly:

.223 Wylde
.257 (SURPRISE)
30 Sabercat

Here's what we'll have sometime this year:

6.5 Something or Other by JW
.20 Practical






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Sabercat is promising, can't wait to see how the 6.5 shakes out.
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How about something off the wall: take a 308 case, cut the neck off at 1.56" and stuff a .429 bullet in, even the 300 grain loaded long would fit in the mag well. Similar to a 44AMP, but longer.


I would love to see this one happen and have Savage barrels made available.  I would gladly buy a 5th Savage just for this round.
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I'd like to see something in a straight wall cartridge in AR 15 .35 and up to Hunt with in Ohio. I know there are some out there but I'd like to have something different than everyone else.
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I have had an idea for an AR cartridge I'd love to see....... Maybe it's been done before though I don't know.

How about take a 10mm case neck it down to 9mm similar to a .357 sig and build it for an AR platform. They already make .40 s&w bolts for ARs, they already make Lowers that use glock or colt mags, glock and colt both make 10mm mags ( not 100% sure Colt makes the 10mm mag I'm thinking about). All it would take would be a barrel really. I am pretty sure you could use .357 sig dies to turn 10mm brass into the NEW .357 HELLBENDER Brass. All this would make the most ass kicking pistol cartridge I've seen in an AR.

Now all this would mean it hasn't been done before LOL. I remember the last time I was talking to Kurt from KAK Industries about some wildcats rounds and said I wish someone had made or would make a .270 cal AR based on the 5.56 rd like the 300 BO. Kurt laughed and said it was already done several years ago and he turned me on to MDWS. So you see why I am not confident this hasn't been done before.




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So I have been requesting a Mongrel a couple times on here, probably irritating some - sorry about that haha

Anyhow I stated I wanted 2 of them, just to make sure I dont lead anyone down an incorrect statement please disregard that, I am no longer interested in purchasing into this cartridge. After reading into it more and reading into very similar cartridges it seems to me anyhow that there isnt enough room to do it correctly or at least to a point where it would make sense to go that direction over 277wlv. I have a couple 277wlv and am very happy I do, I think 277wlv was a well planned project and results are perfect. Thanks MDWS for taking care of us on that one.

I am however interested in Six5, 6.5x6.8 or 264 in 6.8spc brass, I know you arent currently doing anything with this, just my 2 cents for when and if you ever do.
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So I have been requesting a Mongrel a couple times on here, probably irritating some - sorry about that haha

Anyhow I stated I wanted 2 of them, just to make sure I dont lead anyone down an incorrect statement please disregard that, I am no longer interested in purchasing into this cartridge. After reading into it more and reading into very similar cartridges it seems to me anyhow that there isnt enough room to do it correctly or at least to a point where it would make sense to go that direction over 277wlv. I have a couple 277wlv and am very happy I do, I think 277wlv was a well planned project and results are perfect. Thanks MDWS for taking care of us on that one.

I am however interested in Six5, 6.5x6.8 or 264 in 6.8spc brass, I know you arent currently doing anything with this, just my 2 cents for when and if you ever do.

This is the issue holding up the mongrel, do we leave the case mongoose length and limit it to 100 and under bullets or shorten it so it fits mags better and can fit up to 123 grain bullets and have enough horsepower to push them.  it isn't dead just at a pause trying to figure it out.  wade is also going  to be working on a 6.5 on the dasher case.

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This is the issue holding up the mongrel, do we leave the case mongoose length and limit it to 100 and under bullets or shorten it so it fits mags better and can fit up to 123 grain bullets and have enough horsepower to push them.  it isn't dead just at a pause trying to figure it out.  wade is also going  to be working on a 6.5 on the dasher case.
This. It is most likely that we will move forward with the 6.5 Something or Other by JW, and let the Mongrel go to pasture. We're having a hard time getting it to perform to expectations in the projections, so it will probably not happen.

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What about something like this:  Take the new .22 Nosler case, set the shoulder back and open up the neck to 7mm.  Has the same rim diameter as 5.56 so you can use standard bolts, and case body is same as 6.8, so you can use 6.8 mags.  As a 7mm, it would give access to heavier bullets than a 6.8, and still fit an AR15 frame.
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Just my 2 cents worth but why wouldn't the old 7mm TCU work well in the AR frame.  Seems all you would have to change would be the barrel similar to 277 Wlv.  Not sure original AR magazines would work.  It was a flat shooting accurate round in the Contenders.
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Just my 2 cents worth but why wouldn't the old 7mm TCU work well in the AR frame.  Seems all you would have to change would be the barrel similar to 277 Wlv.  Not sure original AR magazines would work.  It was a flat shooting accurate round in the Contenders.

Its really long- I think there are ar's chambered in it, but it must be on the brink of being able to be used. Where I seat my 7tcu bullets for my contender, they would never fit in a mag of an ar. But in a bolt action they would be awesome.

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What about something like this:  Take the new .22 Nosler case, set the shoulder back and open up the neck to 7mm.  Has the same rim diameter as 5.56 so you can use standard bolts, and case body is same as 6.8, so you can use 6.8 mags.  As a 7mm, it would give access to heavier bullets than a 6.8, and still fit an AR15 frame.


I'm excited to see what possibilities you guys create with this case.
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What about something like this:  Take the new .22 Nosler case, set the shoulder back and open up the neck to 7mm.  Has the same rim diameter as 5.56 so you can use standard bolts, and case body is same as 6.8, so you can use 6.8 mags.  As a 7mm, it would give access to heavier bullets than a 6.8, and still fit an AR15 frame.


Why not just do that starting with a 6.8 case? You gain nothing by using the 22 Nosler case.
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Not nothing, but maybe not much.  The 22 Nosler uses a 5.56 bolt, so no need for a 6.8 bolt.  However, it needs 22 Nosler brass, which isn't cheap and isn't ultra available.
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I am very new to reloading but i was also curious about going this direction and if there was any interest from the Team. Brass would eventually become more available and others would more than likely start producing brass as well. I was hoping for a 264 option, the 556 Bolt strength would be a major bonus. 

I am almost ready to start playing with my Six5 which is similar but this could still be a neat cat in my opinion and I would be willing to purchase a Barrel for one of the more advanced Team members to use to dial something in and they could send it back to me once they get it completed haha
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So the .22 Hellcat is still early on in the development or will it be an offering eventually.  




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I liked Rangerjoe's 44 MWA idea 429 in a LC case , simple . fun , cheap . not sure if you could remove insides from your 44 mag dies to get a full length or use 444 marlin , 444 case is 2.250 so probably would work to full length . be a little brother to VRAP .

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I like the sound of that 44MWA I can hunt with that in Ohio.
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First post here, I figured since a .277 wolverine is going to be my next build might as well join. I would like to see the .243 wssm make a comeback. It would extend the range of Tha ar 15 past what we are used to. Brass would need to be made again as well as mags and bolts. The mags can be modified but Winchester would probably need convincing to make the brass again for it to gain traction.
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