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Since there is such a vast array of different types of trimmers out there, I am interested in knowing what the forum members use for their wildcat casing needs, since many of the calibers we are using have to be made from existing 223 brass.  I'm reloading 277 wolverine and am in the process of making 7.62x40 brass, and I have to admit I'm somewhat frustrated with the WCT. 

I've been reloading for awhile but just recently have gotten into rifle calibers so I don't have much experience in case trimmers.
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I use a forster classic, hornady trimmer and i use a dillon rt1200 on the press for some calibers.

I like the forster because i can trim and neck ream at same time if i want to. i had to get the hornady to trim my 500 wtf cause the forster only went to 45 cal.

by far the simplest is the rt1200 but it also is by far the most expensive and to use on wildcats you have to have the custom trim dies so pretty much rules it out for most people.

the wct type trimmers in my opinion are not meant for converting and cutting a lot of brass off each case. they are more for maintaining length. nothing wrong with them if used for the purpose they were intended.

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I've used Hornady, Forester, and most recently - RCBS's Power Trim Master.  I use the RCBS more than all others combined now - especially for processing bunches of brass.  I use the 3-way cutters with trim to length, inside, and outside deburr.  I do trim many 1,000s of cases a year, so that extra convenience is worth it to me.
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I use a forster classic, hornady trimmer and i use a dillon rt1200 on the press for some calibers.

I like the forster because i can trim and neck ream at same time if i want to. i had to get the hornady to trim my 500 wtf cause the forster only went to 45 cal.

by far the simplest is the rt1200 but it also is by far the most expensive and to use on wildcats you have to have the custom trim dies so pretty much rules it out for most people.

the wct type trimmers in my opinion are not meant for converting and cutting a lot of brass off each case. they are more for maintaining length. nothing wrong with them if used for the purpose they were intended.


What would you suggest for converting 223 brass to the various calibers that are based on this casing?
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i use my forster for most of them, i did buy a couple custom trim dies for my dillon for a couple of the more used ones.   i use the forster with a drill it speeds up the process.
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I have the WFT - Original version, for x40.  Have done around 600 cases so far, its working well for me.

The version 2 WFT with switchable inserts may suit your needs for multiple calibers.
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Ok, thanks for the information gentlemen,  I've been looking at the WFT and i can also see a Forster trimmer in my future.
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I use a Redding on the bench, for large quantities I use my Giraud unit.
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I use either an older Lyman universal trimmer or a Wilson micrometer trimmer, the Wilson needs a cartridge specific case holder but they are not too costly.
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I have the WFT - Original version, for x40.  Have done around 600 cases so far, its working well for me.

The version 2 WFT with switchable inserts may suit your needs for multiple calibers.

I use WFT for a couple different calibers. I bought the original for each caliber rather than the WFT 2 with inserts. It cost a little more, but it is easier. I HATE the idea of having to reset the whole thing every time I change inserts. This way, I set each one up once, and I never have to mess with it again. Pick it up, put it in the drill and double check the length of the first few pieces.

Also, I set my drill pointing up inside of a Tupperware type container to catch the flying brass shavings. I then use a rubber coated wire twist to hold the trigger down so the drill stays on continuously. I set the speed to about 10 or 12 and it works great. I always wear safety glasses just to be safe. Those brass shavings are nasty
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I went ahead and purchased the WFT trimmer.  Tried it with my power drill and works fine.  Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.
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I use three trimmers for different processes.
In new match brass setup, I use a CH trimmer to square the base.
I use a Forrester to do outside neck turning.
I have a bench mounted CH large and small primer pocket uniformer with drill.
Once I get the brass setup for use I run all of the brass through a motorized RCBS Trim Pro with 3 way cutters.
I do touch up and primer pocket cleaning on fired brass with an RCBS Case prep Center.

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Have any of you guys used a Lyman case trim xpress? it looks like it could be the cats meow, collets that space off the shoulder like a comparator, no pilots, no case holders, easy to adjust. 

I've been using the lee classic trimmer with all the case specific pilots and using shims for calibers I couldn't get pilots for.. I need to upgrade... 
someone talk me out of it?
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... In new match brass setup, I use a CH trimmer to square the base.
Sir - can you provide more info on this?  I heard about a "trimmer" before that squared a case's base/head - but never the manufacturer.  I searched several sites (e.g., Midway USA, Brownells, etc.) and never found one.  I'd love to see this tool, how it works, what it costs, and whether it would address problems with bent rims on once fired military brass fired in over-gassed guns with dirty chambers.  Thanks!

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Have any of you guys used a Lyman case trim xpress?

I wasn't familiar with this product, so looked it up on MidwayUSA.  Below is a really good, well written review (IMO) that identifies the pros and cons. Whether having a set of caliber pilots or shoulder bushings... one still needs a bin full of parts to address every caliber.  The Trim Xpress won't do straight wall cartridges or very short-necked ones (e.g., .357 Sig), and cases still need inside and outside deburring after trimming. I think I'll keep my RCBS Trim Pro (powered) unit with the 3-way cutter heads.

I have been loading for 47 years and have long pursued any case preparation tools that can save time while still providing precision results for this most tedious of tasks (case prep). I currently have Forster, Redding, and Lyman hand-turn trimmers, four WFT trimmers (Little Crow), and a RCBS powered trimmer. This new powered Lyman trimmer appeared convenient, comes with a variety of bushings to accommodate most popular calibers, takes up little bench space, etc., so I thought I'd try it. Here's my feedback: it works pretty well but is not as precise as my hand-turn trimmers and the four-blade cutter leaves some chatter marks on the case mouths. After using it for about 40 minutes, I went back to one of my hand-turn trimmers which actually gave faster, cleaner, more precise results. If you intend to use this trimmer for any kind of precision loading, I'd recommend against it. If for recreational plinking and non-precision work, then I suppose it will work fine. If you intend to use for prepping a large number of cases, you will develop sore fingers pressing the case into the bushing and against the cutter blade for several seconds per case to ensure a somewhat consistent trim length. I will say that the adjustment knob is handy and is, indeed, accurately calibrated for 0.001 adjustments. The motor on the machine is not noisy and that's nice, too. I wish the motor produced higher RPM as that might reduce the chatter marks on the case mouths. Either that, or provide a cutter with more blades.

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well Ranger Joe you successfully saved me some money...

I found several different trimmers that are off the shoulder like that and they all have reviews that complain about the adjustment mechanisms and/or other quirks. 
I like the idea but I guess it needs work to be on the level everyone is looking for. Maybe something with an adjustable collet to hold the case for alignment instead of bushings and a radiused shoulder holder so angle didn't matter. 

I guess I'll keep using my lee trimmer and a 25 wssm pilot with a 0.020 shim to trim my ocelot cases... 
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Guess I'm "old-school".  You can obtain EXACT trimmings with the L.E. Wilson trimmer.  I've purchased the Lee Deluxe Quick trim and some dies, but I don't get the results like I do with the Wilson.  Along with my 277 WLV barrel, I've purchased the WCT.  I'm excited to try it....if I can find some damn Mag Small Rifle primers!

One caveat, your right arm will get much bigger than you left....if your right handed!

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Jake this power adapter makes the Wilson trimmer a little easier on the cranking arm

https://www.brownells.com/reloading/case-preparation/case-trimming/trimmer-accessories/case-trimmer-power-adapter-prod127729.aspx

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Hi John!  You might not believe this, but I ordered that rascal this afternoon!  Should speed things up a tad and give my right arm a breather.
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Jake your going to like it. I use a Hitachi two speed cordless screwdriver to run mine... works very well and runs a long time on a single charge
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Hard to beat a Giraud when doing lots, but ive also got a lLE Wilson that works great when you only need to do one
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