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RangerJoe

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Hybrid / custom receivers, AR10 size bolt & extension but shorter BCG and standard AR15 Mag.


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Looks like it should be a Ham'r!
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I see Starline is making their brass.... and I see another platform with opportunity to play... but at a VERY HEFTY price!

I will sit and watch for a while.

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Sounds interesting.
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They are sure proud of that thing! (price-wise)
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in a discussion outside the forum, there was an  inquiry on how this compares with the 45 raptor and I found the below pdf chart of comparisons of 45 Raptor, 450BM, 458 SOCOM, and 50 Beowulf.  Also, 458  Ham'r not intended to be interchangeable with the 458 SOCOM and seems to be slightly longer.  I too was taken back by the price...  Fascinating is how little there is on the interweb on this cartridge at present.  

From Wilson Tactical's site:

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Will a .458 HAM'R chamber and fire in a .458 SOCOM chamber? Not during normal chambering since the HAM'R case is .040" too long,  If you tried to chamber the same HAM'R cartridge repeatedly in a .458 SOCOM, the case shoulder could potentially set back the .040" that would allow chambering, thereby creating an overpressure situation that would most likely damage your .458 SOCOM rifle and potentially cause injury. 

Can you fire a .458 SOCOM in a .458 HAM'R chamber? What would happen? Yes, the HAM'R extractor can hold the .458 SOCOM case close enough to the breech face for the gun to fire, although in an extreme excessive headspace state. This is not recommended and may cause damage to the ammunition and bolt assembly.


http://www.45raptor.com/45RAPTOR/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/45RaptorCompare.pdf


Caliber .458 HAM'R
 Bullet 300 gr. Barnes TTSX 
 Case Starline
 Velocity 2100 FPS  
 Muzzle Energy 2938 ft-lbs. 
 Test Barrel Length 18"
 Quantity Per Box 20
 Quantity Per Case 10 Boxes (200 rds.)
 
Caliber .458 HAM'R
 Bullet 300 gr. X-TREME RNFP 
 Case Starline
 Velocity 2000 FPS  
 Muzzle Energy 2665 ft-lbs. 
 Test Barrel Length 18"
 Quantity Per Box 20
 Quantity Per Case 10 Boxes (200 rds.)
 


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Carl S.

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This is according to Starline's Facebook page, "[i]t is the same length as the SOCOM but shoulder is farther forward and it uses a small rifle primer."
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They lose me at proprietary parts. Doesn't seem like a huge improvement on paper to me.
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It seems to me like the 458 Socom's performance is limited by the strength of the standard bolt and barrel extension.  I wonder if a rifle could be made in 458 SOCOM with the same bolt and barrel extension that is used in the 45 Vrap so you could increase the chamber pressure and muzzle velocities.
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      Neat looking gun and bad a$$.I guess for some guys it's about the most power. But I'll stick with the 450 Bushmaster. For me it's much more practical on price,ammo and the big one... I can hunt anywhere in this state,Ohio and Indiana.Need more power? My experience with a 450BM is it tips hogs over and blows big holes in deer with good blood trails.
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